I bought a 3GS the day before Apple announced the new 4G. Now, back in the days of "old school" software upgrades, the last ones to buy the old version, were entitled to the new version for free. Those a bit longer, were entitled to an upgrade for far less than someone coming on board for the first time. This was to avoid people returning the product or getting pissed that they "just missed" the upgrade.

So how does this work? It's probably a moot point now because it's been more then 30, 60, even 90 days. BTW, I bought it at Radio Shack and for months they didn't even have the new phone.

Bruce Carter wrote:

> Coverage is all about where you live. CDMA (Verizon, Spring) is
> inherently flawed for technical reasons way to deep to get into here. I
> used to design cellular telephone base stations so I am qualified to
> make that statement. The longer you talk or stay on-line, the worse the
> quality will get. Eventually - your call WILL drop, it is inevitable.
> GSM (ATT and T-Mobile) is a much more robust protocol, and calls will
> hang in there no matter how long you talk or on line, provided you have
> good hand-offs if you are moving.

I am not a cellular engineer, but I have not had that problem with
Verizon at all. I've had phone calls last over an hour and a half
with no droppage.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

I am a telecom engineer. Inherently CDMA
is easy to design from frequency point of
view but difficult to ensure consistent voice
quality across cells. The data speed is much
better in CDMA if traffic is within limits.

On 23 Oct 2010, at 05:16, Jeffrey Kaplan <yahoo@gordol.org> wrote:

> Bruce Carter wrote:
>
> > Coverage is all about where you live. CDMA (Verizon, Spring) is
> > inherently flawed for technical reasons way to deep to get into here. I
> > used to design cellular telephone base stations so I am qualified to
> > make that statement. The longer you talk or stay on-line, the worse the
> > quality will get. Eventually - your call WILL drop, it is inevitable.
> > GSM (ATT and T-Mobile) is a much more robust protocol, and calls will
> > hang in there no matter how long you talk or on line, provided you have
> > good hand-offs if you are moving.
>
> I am not a cellular engineer, but I have not had that problem with
> Verizon at all. I've had phone calls last over an hour and a half
> with no droppage.
>
> --
> Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
> Double ROT13 encoded for your protection
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That's for sure. We originally had ATT mobile and it worked fine but for some reason became unreliable so we switched to Verizon which worked only somewhat better in our area. After a few years we decided to give ATT another try since my wife wanted an IPhone. Surprise! Great reception, 3G coverage and virtually no dropped calls.

DT
On Oct 22, 2010, at 10:16 PM, Jeffrey Kaplan wrote:

>> Coverage is all about where you live.

Same here, I have had a Verizon phone on same number/line for over 10 years,
upgraded hardware every 20-22 months (New Every Two program) and have NEVER
dropped a call no matter how long I talked. Previous to Verizon I had AT&T
for at least 7 years that I remember and dropped calls every day. I have
had an AT&T iPhone since they came out as a 'second'/data line and drop a
call every time I try and use it so while I don't doubt your credentials and
it may very well be that way in the areas you worked, it isn't true for
where I am....

On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 23:16, Jeffrey Kaplan <yahoo@gordol.org> wrote:

> Bruce Carter wrote:
>
> > Coverage is all about where you live. CDMA (Verizon, Spring) is
> > inherently flawed for technical reasons way to deep to get into here. I
> > used to design cellular telephone base stations so I am qualified to
> > make that statement. The longer you talk or stay on-line, the worse the
> > quality will get. Eventually - your call WILL drop, it is inevitable.
> > GSM (ATT and T-Mobile) is a much more robust protocol, and calls will
> > hang in there no matter how long you talk or on line, provided you have
> > good hand-offs if you are moving.
>
> I am not a cellular engineer, but I have not had that problem with
> Verizon at all. I've had phone calls last over an hour and a half
> with no droppage.
>
> --
> Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
> Double ROT13 encoded for your protection
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

ALL cell phones drop calls! No matter which network or phone. Under the right conditions the call WILL drop.
Anyone who claims they have never droped a call is either mistaken or lying. Or perhaps just got there first cell phone.

--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, Bill Boulware <bill.boulware@...> wrote:
>
> Same here, I have had a Verizon phone on same number/line for over 10 years,
> upgraded hardware every 20-22 months (New Every Two program) and have NEVER
> dropped a call no matter how long I talked. Previous to Verizon I had AT&T
> for at least 7 years that I remember and dropped calls every day. I have
> had an AT&T iPhone since they came out as a 'second'/data line and drop a
> call every time I try and use it so while I don't doubt your credentials and
> it may very well be that way in the areas you worked, it isn't true for
> where I am....
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 23:16, Jeffrey Kaplan <yahoo@...> wrote:
>
> > Bruce Carter wrote:
> >
> > > Coverage is all about where you live. CDMA (Verizon, Spring) is
> > > inherently flawed for technical reasons way to deep to get into here. I
> > > used to design cellular telephone base stations so I am qualified to
> > > make that statement. The longer you talk or stay on-line, the worse the
> > > quality will get. Eventually - your call WILL drop, it is inevitable.
> > > GSM (ATT and T-Mobile) is a much more robust protocol, and calls will
> > > hang in there no matter how long you talk or on line, provided you have
> > > good hand-offs if you are moving.
> >
> > I am not a cellular engineer, but I have not had that problem with
> > Verizon at all. I've had phone calls last over an hour and a half
> > with no droppage.
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
> > Double ROT13 encoded for your protection
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

We just happened to get ours a little bit too late. lol.

But I do have a good story. :) So, my husband's screen shattered. He cannot be without a phone due to work so we really didn't have choice but to get his either fixed or get a new phone. Good thing is it didn't cost the $599.00 because apparently, his software was corrupt. So, we got the new phone for $199.00! Yippe-Skippy!! The other thing... I had been having trouble with mine, things that I didn't notice at first, but had realized with more use. The reception issue was a "thing" with mine, apparently. My hubby and I would be in the same car together and he might have 3 or 4 bars and I would have maybe 1... Plus, lotsa dropped calls. Also, my touch screen was major unresponsive at times. So, many times I would try to do something and nothing would happen. That was the most disturbing part for me. So, I just told them (we had made 2 appointments at the Genius Bar) and the guy did a diagnostic and decided they should swap my phone out for a new one too!!!!!!!! So, we both walked away with new phones yesterday. Granted, we paid for one. But I was happy anyway!! And THIS phone works SOOOOOOOOOOOO MUCH better for me!!!!!!!!!

Happy iPhone customers!!

~Dawn
This is the true joy of life, the being used up for a purpose recognized by yourself as a mighty one.

- George Bernard Shaw

http://the-strawbarigurl.blogspot.com

• sent from my iMac •

On Oct 22, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Bruce Carter wrote:

>> I've been hankering for an iphone for a long, long time... I was
>> going to get the iPhone 4, but my daughter tells me not to touch it
>> because of the problems people are experiencing. She specifically
>> mentioned the back glass breaking and the loss of signal... Don't
>> know what to do. She was worried as
>> I have a tendency to drop my phone...
>>
>> Should I wait for the iPhone 4.5/5 or just buy the 3GS?
>
> Get the iPhone and an Otter box. The Apple store sold them where I live. It solves breakage and signal problems.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Pabitra wrote:

> I am a telecom engineer. Inherently CDMA
> is easy to design from frequency point of
> view but difficult to ensure consistent voice
> quality across cells. The data speed is much
> better in CDMA if traffic is within limits.

Well, I think most of this discussion will be moot within a couple of
years as both Verizon and AT&T are building out LTE as their 4G
networks. Unless the non-engineer in me is getting it wrong and the
specific implementation makes a difference there... :)

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Donald wrote:

> ALL cell phones drop calls! No matter which network or phone. Under the
> right conditions the call WILL drop.
> Anyone who claims they have never droped a call is either mistaken or
> lying. Or perhaps just got there first cell phone.

Or you're not getting the specifics here?

The claim was that CDMA is inherently unreliable and the longer you're
on the phone the more likely it is that the call will drop vs GSM
being inherently better with no such time-based increasing likelihood
of a call dropping.

Of course I've had calls drop. However, my rebuttal of the stated
claim is that I have had long conversations on my Verizon cellphone
lasting over 90 minutes.

What I didn't mention because I didn't think it important is that I am
also an AT&T Refugee. AT&T's service where I live used to be great,
then about two years ago it started degrading. I stuck it out for
about a year, hoping that it would return to its former usability but
it only got worse, to the point where smoke signals in a rain storm
are more reliable.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Yes, it's ALL about where you live. When we lived in Texas (Dallas area) it was GREAT!! Now, we live in NorCal and coverage is TERRIBLE! Wish AT&T would do something about that.

Dawn

On Oct 22, 2010, at 6:19 AM, Bruce Carter wrote:

>> I know others have great ATT coverage but its worse than Sprint if
>> you ask me.
>
> Coverage is all about where you live. CDMA (Verizon, Spring) is inherently flawed for technical reasons way to deep to get into here. I used to design cellular telephone base stations so I am qualified to make that statement. The longer you talk or stay on-line, the worse the quality will get. Eventually - your call WILL drop, it is inevitable. GSM (ATT and T-Mobile) is a much more robust protocol, and calls will hang in there no matter how long you talk or on line, provided you have good hand-offs if you are moving.
>
> ATT coverage is great in Dallas, Houston, and LA. We've had Verizon, it basically sucked. My daughter is an actress, and when we are in LA the phone absolutely positively has to work. Call times are absolute - there is no late. And you get one call - there are no second chances - if you don't pick up they call the next person on the list. ATT is the best, at least in the downtown, Hollywood, valley / Burbank areas of LA.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

OH! And what I started out to say... we're supposed to get our Otterboxes on Monday. YAY!

~Dawn
• sent from my iMac •

On Oct 22, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Bruce Carter wrote:

>> I've been hankering for an iphone for a long, long time... I was
>> going to get the iPhone 4, but my daughter tells me not to touch it
>> because of the problems people are experiencing. She specifically
>> mentioned the back glass breaking and the loss of signal... Don't
>> know what to do. She was worried as
>> I have a tendency to drop my phone...
>>
>> Should I wait for the iPhone 4.5/5 or just buy the 3GS?
>
> Get the iPhone and an Otter box. The Apple store sold them where I live. It solves breakage and signal problems.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> So, my husband's screen shattered. He cannot be without a phone due to work so we really didn't have choice but to get his either fixed or get a new phone. Good thing is it didn't cost the $599.00 because apparently, his software was corrupt. So, we got the new phone for $199.00! Yippe-Skippy!!

That is about double to cost of a 2-year iPhone insurance policy from Square Trade:
<http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/iphone-landing24>

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com

O2 provides this option in the UK too, so perhaps it is common with mobile
phone providers.

Otto

On 23 October 2010 01:35, Richard Raiff <richraiff@gmail.com> wrote:

> You can send and receive text through your AT&T online account on your
> computer.
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks. So that's what it is! BTW, it was 3" 'cause I was looking at my iPad. It's obviously smaller on my iPhone.

Vic

--- In apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com, "bj" <bjones44@...> wrote:
>
> I don't know about 3", which would be most of the screen! but when I'm
> scrolling in D2G there's a light grey bar on the right side that seems to
> act as a sort of slider; it's about 1/4".
> bj
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "vsperlman" <vsperlman@...>
> Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2010 9:04 AM
> To: <apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [apple-iphone] Documents 2 Go Question
>
> > I was working on a document in Doc's 2 Go and somehow created a gray
> > vertical stripe along the right hand margin, about 3" long. Now, it
> > appears on any document I open in Doc's 2 Go. It doesn't cover the text,
> > but it's kind of annoying. Does anyone have any idea how to get rid of
> > it?
> >
>