Hello

I just got curious, the CDMA you all talk about, it used to be an old technology here in Brazil which I remember about 8 or more years ago.

GSM seems to be a world wide standard and CDMA as proprietary technology.

All operators here are GSM for many years which they say is more advanced I guess because it uses the sim card, among other things, where you can change from a phone to another quickly, as CDMA the phone itself must be taken to a operator store to be activated/deactivated...and GSM uses less battery as they say

So migrating to CDMA operator would be a step back on this case?

A CDMA phone is different from a GSM phone...You cannot have both on the same device.

Correct me if I´m wrong.

Regards

Rod

----- Original Message -----
From: Prokic Roger
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering

Let's clarify for him.
Some basics.
Verizon uses CDMA technology.
AT&T uses GSM technology.
So your AT&T phone cannot work on Verizon.
The new Verizon phone is basically the same phone as the AT&T iPhone 4 but modified to work on CDMA and a few very minor tweaks...
Otherwise they look identical.

Hope this helps. So Apple Store will sell two versions (one for AT&T, and the other for Verizon)

Roger

On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Bill Boulware wrote:

> Um, have you read everything posted? Apple is releasing a NEW iPhone that
> will work on Verizon 2/10/10 - it will not be in stores until then.
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 18:02, John Ferman <johnferman@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if the iPhone being offered by Verizon exactly and
>> precisely identical to the iPhone sold in the Apple Stores. Can an
>> iPhone bought in an Apple Store be usable with Verizon. In the ads I
>> have been hearing the hype comes across as Verizon version of iPhone,
>> so I would be worried about full Apple version functionality. Apple
>> designs all the internals of their devices to work together without
>> separate drivers and the like. So before I leap I want to look
>> carefully. Thanks for any help.
>>
>> John Ferman

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CDMA came in 90s whereas GSM came in 80s.
CDMA is more of data oriented whereas GSM is voice oriented.
In new versions, it is possible to have SIM like card for CDMA and it is very popular in China.
In CDMA, there is battery / power management algorithm both in handsets as well as Base transreceiver station.
In case of disaster or high overload, CDMA is easier to add a BTS whereas in case of GSM, it take some time to do frequency planning and BTS tuning.
On highways? if you are travelling faster than 70 kmph, GSM call will fail at the boundary of the cell despite best network.
As a network designer of both GSM and CDMA, I can only say that both are good in their own way (like a mother of two kids would say) depending on your requirements.
 
PKS

--- On Wed, 12/1/11, Rodrigo <yid_grps@yahoo.com.br> wrote:

From: Rodrigo <yid_grps@yahoo.com.br>
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 17:36

 

Hello

I just got curious, the CDMA you all talk about, it used to be an old technology here in Brazil which I remember about 8 or more years ago.

GSM seems to be a world wide standard and CDMA as proprietary technology.

All operators here are GSM for many years which they say is more advanced I guess because it uses the sim card, among other things, where you can change from a phone to another quickly, as CDMA the phone itself must be taken to a operator store to be activated/deactivated...and GSM uses less battery as they say

So migrating to CDMA operator would be a step back on this case?

A CDMA phone is different from a GSM phone...You cannot have both on the same device.

Correct me if I´m wrong.

Regards

Rod

----- Original Message -----
From: Prokic Roger
To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering

Let's clarify for him.
Some basics.
Verizon uses CDMA technology.
AT&T uses GSM technology.
So your AT&T phone cannot work on Verizon.
The new Verizon phone is basically the same phone as the AT&T iPhone 4 but modified to work on CDMA and a few very minor tweaks...
Otherwise they look identical.

Hope this helps. So Apple Store will sell two versions (one for AT&T, and the other for Verizon)

Roger

On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Bill Boulware wrote:

> Um, have you read everything posted? Apple is releasing a NEW iPhone that
> will work on Verizon 2/10/10 - it will not be in stores until then.
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 18:02, John Ferman <johnferman@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if the iPhone being offered by Verizon exactly and
>> precisely identical to the iPhone sold in the Apple Stores. Can an
>> iPhone bought in an Apple Store be usable with Verizon. In the ads I
>> have been hearing the hype comes across as Verizon version of iPhone,
>> so I would be worried about full Apple version functionality. Apple
>> designs all the internals of their devices to work together without
>> separate drivers and the like. So before I leap I want to look
>> carefully. Thanks for any help.
>>
>> John Ferman

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What is BTS?

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:11 AM, pabitra saha <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> CDMA came in 90s whereas GSM came in 80s.
> CDMA is more of data oriented whereas GSM is voice oriented.
> In new versions, it is possible to have SIM like card for CDMA and it is
> very popular in China.
> In CDMA, there is battery / power management algorithm both in handsets as
> well as Base transreceiver station.
> In case of disaster or high overload, CDMA is easier to add a BTS whereas
> in case of GSM, it take some time to do frequency planning and BTS tuning.
> On highways? if you are travelling faster than 70 kmph, GSM call will fail
> at the boundary of the cell despite best network.
> As a network designer of both GSM and CDMA, I can only say that both are
> good in their own way (like a mother of two kids would say) depending on
> your requirements.
>
> PKS
>
> --- On Wed, 12/1/11, Rodrigo <yid_grps@yahoo.com.br<yid_grps%40yahoo.com.br>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Rodrigo <yid_grps@yahoo.com.br <yid_grps%40yahoo.com.br>>
>
> Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering
> To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com <apple-iphone%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 17:36
>
>
>
>
> Hello
>
> I just got curious, the CDMA you all talk about, it used to be an old
> technology here in Brazil which I remember about 8 or more years ago.
>
> GSM seems to be a world wide standard and CDMA as proprietary technology.
>
> All operators here are GSM for many years which they say is more advanced I
> guess because it uses the sim card, among other things, where you can change
> from a phone to another quickly, as CDMA the phone itself must be taken to a
> operator store to be activated/deactivated...and GSM uses less battery as
> they say
>
> So migrating to CDMA operator would be a step back on this case?
>
> A CDMA phone is different from a GSM phone...You cannot have both on the
> same device.
>
> Correct me if I´m wrong.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Prokic Roger
> To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com <apple-iphone%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering
>
> Let's clarify for him.
> Some basics.
> Verizon uses CDMA technology.
> AT&T uses GSM technology.
> So your AT&T phone cannot work on Verizon.
> The new Verizon phone is basically the same phone as the AT&T iPhone 4 but
> modified to work on CDMA and a few very minor tweaks...
> Otherwise they look identical.
>
> Hope this helps. So Apple Store will sell two versions (one for AT&T, and
> the other for Verizon)
>
> Roger
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Bill Boulware wrote:
>
> > Um, have you read everything posted? Apple is releasing a NEW iPhone that
> > will work on Verizon 2/10/10 - it will not be in stores until then.
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 18:02, John Ferman <johnferman@iphouse.com<johnferman%40iphouse.com>>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Does anyone know if the iPhone being offered by Verizon exactly and
> >> precisely identical to the iPhone sold in the Apple Stores. Can an
> >> iPhone bought in an Apple Store be usable with Verizon. In the ads I
> >> have been hearing the hype comes across as Verizon version of iPhone,
> >> so I would be worried about full Apple version functionality. Apple
> >> designs all the internals of their devices to work together without
> >> separate drivers and the like. So before I leap I want to look
> >> carefully. Thanks for any help.
> >>
> >> John Ferman
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
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> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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Base Transreceiver Station.
It is the electronic part of those towers and masts which you see.
A tower in GSM can have upto 3 BTSes if the service provider has been allotted once set of frequencies.
Thus it has 3 cells from which we get the word "cellular phones" or "cell phones" which is more accurate than "mobile phones".
pks

--- On Wed, 12/1/11, Brent <flapdoodle@gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Brent <flapdoodle@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering
> To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 18:47
> What is BTS?
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 7:11 AM, pabitra saha <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > CDMA came in 90s whereas GSM came in 80s.
> > CDMA is more of data oriented whereas GSM is voice
> oriented.
> > In new versions, it is possible to have SIM like card
> for CDMA and it is
> > very popular in China.
> > In CDMA, there is battery / power management algorithm
> both in handsets as
> > well as Base transreceiver station.
> > In case of disaster or high overload, CDMA is easier
> to add a BTS whereas
> > in case of GSM, it take some time to do frequency
> planning and BTS tuning.
> > On highways? if you are travelling faster than 70
> kmph, GSM call will fail
> > at the boundary of the cell despite best network.
> > As a network designer of both GSM and CDMA, I can only
> say that both are
> > good in their own way (like a mother of two kids would
> say) depending on
> > your requirements.
> >
> > PKS
> >
> > --- On Wed, 12/1/11, Rodrigo <yid_grps@yahoo.com.br<yid_grps%40yahoo.com.br>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Rodrigo <yid_grps@yahoo.com.br
> <yid_grps%40yahoo.com.br>>
> >
> > Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering
> > To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
> <apple-iphone%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 17:36
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello
> >
> > I just got curious, the CDMA you all talk about, it
> used to be an old
> > technology here in Brazil which I remember about 8 or
> more years ago.
> >
> > GSM seems to be a world wide standard and CDMA as
> proprietary technology.
> >
> > All operators here are GSM for many years which they
> say is more advanced I
> > guess because it uses the sim card, among other
> things, where you can change
> > from a phone to another quickly, as CDMA the phone
> itself must be taken to a
> > operator store to be activated/deactivated...and GSM
> uses less battery as
> > they say
> >
> > So migrating to CDMA operator would be a step back on
> this case?
> >
> > A CDMA phone is different from a GSM phone...You
> cannot have both on the
> > same device.
> >
> > Correct me if I´m wrong.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Rod
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Prokic Roger
> > To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
> <apple-iphone%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:54 PM
> > Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering
> >
> > Let's clarify for him.
> > Some basics.
> > Verizon uses CDMA technology.
> > AT&T uses GSM technology.
> > So your AT&T phone cannot work on Verizon.
> > The new Verizon phone is basically the same phone as
> the AT&T iPhone 4 but
> > modified to work on CDMA and a few very minor
> tweaks...
> > Otherwise they look identical.
> >
> > Hope this helps. So Apple Store will sell two versions
> (one for AT&T, and
> > the other for Verizon)
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Bill Boulware wrote:
> >
> > > Um, have you read everything posted? Apple is
> releasing a NEW iPhone that
> > > will work on Verizon 2/10/10 - it will not be in
> stores until then.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 18:02, John Ferman <johnferman@iphouse.com<johnferman%40iphouse.com>>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Does anyone know if the iPhone being offered
> by Verizon exactly and
> > >> precisely identical to the iPhone sold in the
> Apple Stores. Can an
> > >> iPhone bought in an Apple Store be usable
> with Verizon. In the ads I
> > >> have been hearing the hype comes across as
> Verizon version of iPhone,
> > >> so I would be worried about full Apple
> version functionality. Apple
> > >> designs all the internals of their devices to
> work together without
> > >> separate drivers and the like. So before I
> leap I want to look
> > >> carefully. Thanks for any help.
> > >>
> > >> John Ferman
> >
> >
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
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> Release Date: 01/11/11
> > 17:34:00
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That's why I have so many dropped calls driving to work and at the same spots every day. Driving on a highway at fast speeds.

Roger

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On Jan 12, 2011, at 8:11 AM, pabitra saha <pksaha000@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> CDMA came in 90s whereas GSM came in 80s.
> CDMA is more of data oriented whereas GSM is voice oriented.
> In new versions, it is possible to have SIM like card for CDMA and it is very popular in China.
> In CDMA, there is battery / power management algorithm both in handsets as well as Base transreceiver station.
> In case of disaster or high overload, CDMA is easier to add a BTS whereas in case of GSM, it take some time to do frequency planning and BTS tuning.
> On highways? if you are travelling faster than 70 kmph, GSM call will fail at the boundary of the cell despite best network.
> As a network designer of both GSM and CDMA, I can only say that both are good in their own way (like a mother of two kids would say) depending on your requirements.
>
> PKS
>
> --- On Wed, 12/1/11, Rodrigo <yid_grps@yahoo.com.br> wrote:
>
>
> From: Rodrigo <yid_grps@yahoo.com.br>
> Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering
> To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, 12 January, 2011, 17:36
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello
>
> I just got curious, the CDMA you all talk about, it used to be an old technology here in Brazil which I remember about 8 or more years ago.
>
> GSM seems to be a world wide standard and CDMA as proprietary technology.
>
> All operators here are GSM for many years which they say is more advanced I guess because it uses the sim card, among other things, where you can change from a phone to another quickly, as CDMA the phone itself must be taken to a operator store to be activated/deactivated...and GSM uses less battery as they say
>
> So migrating to CDMA operator would be a step back on this case?
>
> A CDMA phone is different from a GSM phone...You cannot have both on the same device.
>
> Correct me if I´m wrong.
>
> Regards
>
> Rod
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Prokic Roger
> To: apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 10:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [apple-iphone] The New Verizon Offering
>
> Let's clarify for him.
> Some basics.
> Verizon uses CDMA technology.
> AT&T uses GSM technology.
> So your AT&T phone cannot work on Verizon.
> The new Verizon phone is basically the same phone as the AT&T iPhone 4 but modified to work on CDMA and a few very minor tweaks...
> Otherwise they look identical.
>
> Hope this helps. So Apple Store will sell two versions (one for AT&T, and the other for Verizon)
>
> Roger
>
> On Jan 11, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Bill Boulware wrote:
>
>> Um, have you read everything posted? Apple is releasing a NEW iPhone that
>> will work on Verizon 2/10/10 - it will not be in stores until then.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 18:02, John Ferman <johnferman@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone know if the iPhone being offered by Verizon exactly and
>>> precisely identical to the iPhone sold in the Apple Stores. Can an
>>> iPhone bought in an Apple Store be usable with Verizon. In the ads I
>>> have been hearing the hype comes across as Verizon version of iPhone,
>>> so I would be worried about full Apple version functionality. Apple
>>> designs all the internals of their devices to work together without
>>> separate drivers and the like. So before I leap I want to look
>>> carefully. Thanks for any help.
>>>
>>> John Ferman
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
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So is that when the solution to prevent too many connections dropping they 'throttle back' the network drivers?

(Sorry, couldn't resist...)

> That's why I have so many dropped calls driving to work and at the same spots every day. Driving on a highway at fast speeds.
>
> Roger
>
> ---
> Roger Prokic
>
> > On highways? if you are travelling faster than 70 kmph, GSM call will fail at the boundary of the cell despite best network.
>

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> On highways? if you are travelling faster than 70 kmph, GSM call will fail at the boundary of the cell despite best network.

That is bull. I've driven all over Dallas, Houston, and LA at speeds between 50 and 70 MILES (not km) per hour and very seldom had a call drop on a GSM network. Verizon was a completely different situation. My daughter was missing auditions and call times in LA, we HAD to dump Verizon, it was costing her acting jobs. Most of her peers / competitors in the business have AT&T or T-Mobile for the same reason, call drops and holes in coverage by Verizon and Sprint CDMA networks. When calls absolutely, positively have to go through and not drop, GSM seems to be more robust.

> GSM seems to be a world wide standard and CDMA as proprietary technology.
>
> All operators here are GSM for many years which they say is more advanced I guess because it uses the sim card, among other things, where you can change from a phone to another quickly, as CDMA the phone itself must be taken to a operator store to be activated/deactivated...and GSM uses less battery as they say
>
> So migrating to CDMA operator would be a step back on this case?

Many in the US agree with you....

--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Since as I understand radio travels at close to the speed of light the speed of a moving car (70 mph or 70 kph or 700kph) would be of irrelevant.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 12, 2011, at 7:18 AM, "Bruce Carter" <rbrucecarter@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > On highways? if you are travelling faster than 70 kmph, GSM call will fail at the boundary of the cell despite best network.
>
> That is bull. I've driven all over Dallas, Houston, and LA at speeds between 50 and 70 MILES (not km) per hour and very seldom had a call drop on a GSM network. Verizon was a completely different situation. My daughter was missing auditions and call times in LA, we HAD to dump Verizon, it was costing her acting jobs. Most of her peers / competitors in the business have AT&T or T-Mobile for the same reason, call drops and holes in coverage by Verizon and Sprint CDMA networks. When calls absolutely, positively have to go through and not drop, GSM seems to be more robust.
>
>

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On 1/12/2011 7:06 AM, Rodrigo wrote:

> All operators here are GSM for many years which they say is more
> advanced I guess because it uses the sim card, among other things,
> where you can change from a phone to another quickly, as CDMA the
> phone itself must be taken to a operator store to be
> activated/deactivated...and GSM uses less battery as they say

Not completely true. GSM is not more advanced, it merely has a
different feature set. One of which is the ability to swap devices as
easily as it is to move a chipcard from one to another. On the other
hand, I've personally experienced CDMA phones able to make, receive
and hold onto calls in signal situations that a GSM phone would laugh
at you for trying.

And you do not have to take a CDMA phone into the carrier to be
programmed. You can do that yourself. It's just that CDMA phones are
not as carrier-switchable as GSM phones are. So while it should be
almost always possible to swap between, say, AT&T and T-Mobile in the
US by swapping SIM cards, phones for Verizon or Sprint probably cannot
be moved to the other carrier.

In any event, both are essentially going away, to be replaced by
variations of LTE.

> So migrating to CDMA operator would be a step back on this case?

Only if you need or want features that GSM has that CDMA doesn't, like
the easier swappability or simultaneous data/voice. Neither one of
those excite me.

> A CDMA phone is different from a GSM phone...You cannot have both on
> the same device.
>
> Correct me if I´m wrong.

You're right in that they are different. However, you're also wrong,
you can have both in the same device. At least a third of Verizon's
phones are "World Phones" with both CDMA and GSM radios. The GSM
radios come with a pre-packaged SIM from Verizon Wireless' European
co-owner Vodaphone. You can only USE one or the other at one time.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

> Since as I understand radio travels at close to the speed of light the speed of a moving car (70 mph or 70 kph or 700kph) would be of irrelevant.

I think the original poster was referring to the handoff between cells, which involves some software in the phone and the two BTS's involved. There may have been problems at one time, but increased processing speed on both ends have probably eliminated the problem. I've never had a problem, and I've been on a lot of freeways at high speed. If GSM dropped calls under those conditions, it would be useless as a cell standard. Nobody would want T-Mobile or AT&T. I had more dropped calls on the freeway with CDMA - it was REALLY annoying. I was trying to buy a car remotely (insurance settlement from a wreck). Admittedly I was in the worst canyon in the LA area at the time. But I drove the same canyon last year with GSM, my daughter was on her phone at the exact same place - not a problem at all. Zooming along 60 to 65 MPH both times, only difference was CDMA and GSM. If you told me CDMA had problems with handoffs at freeway speeds, I'd be more inclined to believe it based on my experience.

On 1/12/2011 1:37 PM, Mark Sanford Geiger wrote:

> Since as I understand radio travels at close to the speed of light the
> speed of a moving car (70 mph or 70 kph or 700kph) would be of
> irrelevant.

The theory behind the claim is probably related to handing off the
call from one tower to another, not the relative speed of the vehicle
vs speed of light.

There probably is a "speed limit" on how fast that happens and if you
are going faster the call will drop. But it's almost certainly much
faster than anyone can drive.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

My wife and I are Verizon customers who are (hoping to) upgrade to the iPhone - have wanted to for several years, in fact. My wife's family is rural so AT&T is not an option.

I have two questions relating to "overeager".

1. I ordered two cases from Otterbox as soon as I found that Verizon was getting the iPhone. Now I find that the buttons have moved a bit and the cases may not be compatible.
a. Otterbox does not have any new cases - I am hoping that this means they have seen the Verizon iPhone and it means that their cases will work anyway. The cases are coming from Amazon - I can always write "Refused - Return to Sender" on the package. Thoughts?

b. The volume buttons are the problem - I do and my wife should, keep the volume turned up anyway. Also, in 'those' situations, we tend to turn our phones off. Thoughts?

2. Eligibility Huh? My wife and I bought new phones last June - why wouldn't they want our money? Although it would not be horrible to wait until after this interim model is gone and the CDMA/CSM phones (iPhone 5) are out. (sour grapes) If the equipment in our area is not ready to accept the iPhone, I will be more understanding. Thoughts?

PS: I have checked the Verizon website on this last issue and I cannot log in.

I am working on all these issues in other contexts but I want to vent NOW. Thanks!

From: "Walter Palmer" <walterpalmer@me.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2011 9:44 AM
To: "iphone group" <apple-iphone@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [apple-iphone] Verizon questions

> 2. Eligibility Huh? My wife and I bought new phones last June - why
> wouldn't they want our money? Although it would not be horrible to wait
> until after this interim model is gone and the CDMA/GSM phones (iPhone 5)
> are out. (sour grapes) If the equipment in our area is not ready to accept
> the iPhone, I will be more understanding. Thoughts?
>

You're still "working off" the discount you got when you bought your phones
last June. In other words, they don't have your money yet that they fronted you on the
purchase.

You don't know, nobody but Apple knows, it's only rumors, anything the
iPhone 5 may have that the iPhone 4 doesn't.

You'll have to check around *your* area about how the iPhone works there.
Ask around!
bj

On Jan 12, 2011, at 9:07 AM, bj wrote:

>
>
>> 2. Eligibility Huh? My wife and I bought new phones last June - why
>> wouldn't they want our money? Although it would not be horrible to wait
>> until after this interim model is gone and the CDMA/GSM phones (iPhone 5)
>> are out. (sour grapes) If the equipment in our area is not ready to accept
>> the iPhone, I will be more understanding. Thoughts?
>>
>
> You're still "working off" the discount you got when you bought your phones
> last June. In other words, they don't have your money yet that they fronted you on the
> purchase.

Well, that gives me guidance because I ordered some cases from Amazon that may or may not work. So, when the come I'll just refuse them or just switch to AT&T.

> My wife and I are Verizon customers who are (hoping to) upgrade to the iPhone - have wanted to for several years, in fact. My wife's family is rural so AT&T is not an option.

Not true. Where you want to use it *does* matter, but simply being rural does not necessarily mean you don't have AT&T coverage. I live in farm country - dairy farms, horse farms, cornfields - and have no problems with AT&T coverage.

> Otterbox does not have any new cases - I am hoping that this means they have seen the Verizon iPhone and it means that their cases will work anyway. The cases are coming from Amazon - I can always write "Refused - Return to Sender" on the package. Thoughts?

Telephone Otterbox and ask them if the cases you are getting will fit the Verizon iPhone 4.

> 2. Eligibility Huh? My wife and I bought new phones last June - why wouldn't they want our money?

You presumably bought a subsidized phone at that time. If you haven't reached the "cheap upgrade" time period, you will pay extra simply because they have not gotten enough money out of you yet to satisfy them that they have recovered the subsidy.

> Although it would not be horrible to wait until after this interim model is gone and the CDMA/CSM phones (iPhone 5) are out.

Who told you that the next iteration of the iPhone will have both CDMA and GSM? Apple has not stated that. And there is good reason to think there won't be a "common iPhone" until LTE is mostly rolled out.

> (sour grapes) If the equipment in our area is not ready to accept the iPhone, I will be more understanding. Thoughts?

What "equipment"?

> I am working on all these issues in other contexts but I want to vent NOW. Thanks!

Venting is likely to get you hostile responses rather than cogent answers.

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Brent

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:

>
>
> > My wife and I are Verizon customers who are (hoping to) upgrade to the
> iPhone - have wanted to for several years, in fact. My wife's family is
> rural so AT&T is not an option.
>
> Not true. Where you want to use it *does* matter, but simply being rural
> does not necessarily mean you don't have AT&T coverage. I live in farm
> country - dairy farms, horse farms, cornfields - and have no problems with
> AT&T coverage.
>
>
> > Otterbox does not have any new cases - I am hoping that this means they
> have seen the Verizon iPhone and it means that their cases will work anyway.
> The cases are coming from Amazon - I can always write "Refused - Return to
> Sender" on the package. Thoughts?
>
> Telephone Otterbox and ask them if the cases you are getting will fit the
> Verizon iPhone 4.
>
>
> > 2. Eligibility Huh? My wife and I bought new phones last June - why
> wouldn't they want our money?
>
> You presumably bought a subsidized phone at that time. If you haven't
> reached the "cheap upgrade" time period, you will pay extra simply because
> they have not gotten enough money out of you yet to satisfy them that they
> have recovered the subsidy.
>
>
> > Although it would not be horrible to wait until after this interim model
> is gone and the CDMA/CSM phones (iPhone 5) are out.
>
> Who told you that the next iteration of the iPhone will have both CDMA and
> GSM? Apple has not stated that. And there is good reason to think there
> won't be a "common iPhone" until LTE is mostly rolled out.
>
>
> > (sour grapes) If the equipment in our area is not ready to accept the
> iPhone, I will be more understanding. Thoughts?
>
> What "equipment"?
>
>
> > I am working on all these issues in other contexts but I want to vent
> NOW. Thanks!
>
> Venting is likely to get you hostile responses rather than cogent answers.
>
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com <jimdoc%40me.com>
>
>
>

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I'm conflicted about the decision 2 change carriers on the 1 hand I've really wanted the mobile hotspot feature 4 a long time and I work underground a lot of the time & my co-workers with Verizon get reception in many spots while my AT&T & other carriers didn't but with at&t my wife, 2 daughters, & mom have AT&T so my mobile 2 mobile to them are free & I've got around 8,000 rollover minutes racked up so I would lose out on that also paying out a early termination fee isn't appealing either any advice on the suitation?

Sent from Bigstacediesel's iPhone 4

On Jan 12, 2011, at 14:21, Brent <flapdoodle@gmail.com> wrote:

> walterpalmer@me.com decided to leave the group.
>
> Brent
>
> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> My wife and I are Verizon customers who are (hoping to) upgrade to the
>> iPhone - have wanted to for several years, in fact. My wife's family is
>> rural so AT&T is not an option.
>>
>> Not true. Where you want to use it *does* matter, but simply being rural
>> does not necessarily mean you don't have AT&T coverage. I live in farm
>> country - dairy farms, horse farms, cornfields - and have no problems with
>> AT&T coverage.
>>
>>
>>> Otterbox does not have any new cases - I am hoping that this means they
>> have seen the Verizon iPhone and it means that their cases will work anyway.
>> The cases are coming from Amazon - I can always write "Refused - Return to
>> Sender" on the package. Thoughts?
>>
>> Telephone Otterbox and ask them if the cases you are getting will fit the
>> Verizon iPhone 4.
>>
>>
>>> 2. Eligibility Huh? My wife and I bought new phones last June - why
>> wouldn't they want our money?
>>
>> You presumably bought a subsidized phone at that time. If you haven't
>> reached the "cheap upgrade" time period, you will pay extra simply because
>> they have not gotten enough money out of you yet to satisfy them that they
>> have recovered the subsidy.
>>
>>
>>> Although it would not be horrible to wait until after this interim model
>> is gone and the CDMA/CSM phones (iPhone 5) are out.
>>
>> Who told you that the next iteration of the iPhone will have both CDMA and
>> GSM? Apple has not stated that. And there is good reason to think there
>> won't be a "common iPhone" until LTE is mostly rolled out.
>>
>>
>>> (sour grapes) If the equipment in our area is not ready to accept the
>> iPhone, I will be more understanding. Thoughts?
>>
>> What "equipment"?
>>
>>
>>> I am working on all these issues in other contexts but I want to vent
>> NOW. Thanks!
>>
>> Venting is likely to get you hostile responses rather than cogent answers.
>>
>> --
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com <jimdoc%40me.com>
>>
>>
>>
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My advise is stick with AT&T.

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-=[ this message was sent from my Apple iPhone 4 ]=-

On Jan 12, 2011, at 4:20 PM, S Colds <bigstacediesel@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I'm conflicted about the decision 2 change carriers on the 1 hand I've really wanted the mobile hotspot feature 4 a long time and I work underground a lot of the time & my co-workers with Verizon get reception in many spots while my AT&T & other carriers didn't but with at&t my wife, 2 daughters, & mom have AT&T so my mobile 2 mobile to them are free & I've got around 8,000 rollover minutes racked up so I would lose out on that also paying out a early termination fee isn't appealing either any advice on the suitation?
>
> Sent from Bigstacediesel's iPhone 4
>
> On Jan 12, 2011, at 14:21, Brent <flapdoodle@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> walterpalmer@me.com decided to leave the group.
>>
>> Brent
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 10:57 AM, Jim Saklad <jimdoc@me.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> My wife and I are Verizon customers who are (hoping to) upgrade to the
>>> iPhone - have wanted to for several years, in fact. My wife's family is
>>> rural so AT&T is not an option.
>>>
>>> Not true. Where you want to use it *does* matter, but simply being rural
>>> does not necessarily mean you don't have AT&T coverage. I live in farm
>>> country - dairy farms, horse farms, cornfields - and have no problems with
>>> AT&T coverage.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Otterbox does not have any new cases - I am hoping that this means they
>>> have seen the Verizon iPhone and it means that their cases will work anyway.
>>> The cases are coming from Amazon - I can always write "Refused - Return to
>>> Sender" on the package. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Telephone Otterbox and ask them if the cases you are getting will fit the
>>> Verizon iPhone 4.
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2. Eligibility Huh? My wife and I bought new phones last June - why
>>> wouldn't they want our money?
>>>
>>> You presumably bought a subsidized phone at that time. If you haven't
>>> reached the "cheap upgrade" time period, you will pay extra simply because
>>> they have not gotten enough money out of you yet to satisfy them that they
>>> have recovered the subsidy.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Although it would not be horrible to wait until after this interim model
>>> is gone and the CDMA/CSM phones (iPhone 5) are out.
>>>
>>> Who told you that the next iteration of the iPhone will have both CDMA and
>>> GSM? Apple has not stated that. And there is good reason to think there
>>> won't be a "common iPhone" until LTE is mostly rolled out.
>>>
>>>
>>>> (sour grapes) If the equipment in our area is not ready to accept the
>>> iPhone, I will be more understanding. Thoughts?
>>>
>>> What "equipment"?
>>>
>>>
>>>> I am working on all these issues in other contexts but I want to vent
>>> NOW. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Venting is likely to get you hostile responses rather than cogent answers.
>>>
>>> --
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> Jim Saklad mailto:jimdoc@me.com <jimdoc%40me.com>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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